{"id":711,"date":"2008-10-21T22:54:11","date_gmt":"2008-10-22T03:54:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/toddbolen.com\/2008\/10\/21\/lessons-from-job\/"},"modified":"2008-10-21T22:54:11","modified_gmt":"2008-10-22T03:54:11","slug":"lessons-from-job","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/toddbolen.com\/blog\/2008\/10\/21\/lessons-from-job\/","title":{"rendered":"Lessons from Job"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Tommy Bosworth, a former IBEXer, a former <a href=\"https:\/\/toddbolen.com\/2005\/04\/18\/back-from-turkey\/\">travelmate to Turkey<\/a>, and now a fellow student at DTS, went to the Desiring God conference last weekend on the Book of Job.&#160; He sent out a recommendation to some friends to watch the videos, and he listed some things that he learned.&#160; He has given me permission to post his notes, and I believe that they &#8216;ll be worth your few minutes of thought, even if you don&#8217;t have time now to watch\/listen to the sermons.&#160; He writes:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>As many of you know, Charisa and I attended desiringgod&#8217;s regional conference in Austin this weekend. If you can carve out time in your busy lives to view <a href=\"http:\/\/www.desiringgod.org\/ResourceLibrary\/ConferenceMessages\/ByConference\/42\/\">these videos<\/a>, I promise you will not be disappointed. Piper&#8217;s sermons are well worth the time. <\/p>\n<p>The topic was suffering and Piper walked us through the book of Job. Some of the things that stood out to me were:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Suffering is the &#8220;required path of discipleship\u00e2\u20ac\u201dno other path to heaven.&#8221; <\/li>\n<li>There is no distinction between suffering in the sense of persecution for your faith and suffering in general. Regardless of the kind of suffering, Satan&#8217;s goal&#160; is always to destroy your faith and God&#8217;s goal is always to strengthen your faith. <\/li>\n<li>There are not two categories\u00e2\u20ac\u201dthose who suffer and those who do not. Everyone suffers\u00e2\u20ac\u201dat different levels and at different times. <\/li>\n<li>God ordains suffering. You will need to view the videos and see how Piper nuances the term &#8220;ordains.&#8221; Does it mean &#8220;permit,&#8221; &#8220;cause,&#8221; &#8220;allow,&#8221; &#8220;purpose,&#8221; etc? Piper says that Job never once questioned the sovereignty of God (control, purpose, plan) over his suffering\u00e2\u20ac\u201dnor did any of his friends. It was a given for all that God was responsible (ultimately vs. immediately?) for Job&#8217;s suffering (cf. Job 1:21; 42:11). The question asked by all and answered in different ways was &#8220;Why has God brought this adversity upon Job?&#8221; <\/li>\n<li>Unbelievers need the Gospel, not a theodicy. <\/li>\n<li>When Satan asks God for permission to test\/tempt believers God says either (1) no or (2) this far and no further. <\/li>\n<li>Piper&#8217;s definition of worship is &#8220;any emotional, intellectual, or physical response that manifests the supreme worth of God.&#8221; <\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tommy Bosworth, a former IBEXer, a former travelmate to Turkey, and now a fellow student at DTS, went to the Desiring God conference last weekend on the Book of Job.&#160; He sent out a recommendation to some friends to watch the videos, and he listed some things that he learned.&#160; He has given me permission\u2026 <span class=\"read-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/toddbolen.com\/blog\/2008\/10\/21\/lessons-from-job\/\">Read More &raquo;<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-711","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-faith"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/toddbolen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/711","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/toddbolen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/toddbolen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/toddbolen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/toddbolen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=711"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/toddbolen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/711\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/toddbolen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=711"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/toddbolen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=711"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/toddbolen.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=711"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}